DOOM III

[busylover]

incredible doom 3 case modding

[cuchumino81]

this guy has ALOT of patience.....

I got bored of poking some holes in my comp, and that took a couple of hours..... great mod.... Its a work of art

[cubase]

You have got to be Shi**ing me! Is there nothing this guy wont try and perfect. I thought the door was taking it extreme, but then, the Logo, and the rocks, and the mechanics! This better be some sort of art statement, and win some kind of awards for something, becuase I think I am going to collapse if this guy has this kinda patience with no ultimate goal.

Tis Uber Phat!

-Cub. =o)

[cuchumino81]

the linux bin's are out!!!! though it only seems that it will work with nvidia cards....

Guess us ati guys have to wait a while til ati comes up with new drivers

[cuchumino81]

shit. i installed it on cedega, and got it going and all. Installed it as win98 and run it as winxp. The thing is i am having a glitch. the windows in the game, they seem to magnify anything that is on the other side of the window. and in the long run, it crashes.

any help??

[Foolhardy]

haven't used cedega but I got the linux demo for D3 working on a Mepis system w/a GF3. Only runs in a 640*480 tho

foo

[HamDemon]

I tried hard not to. Really I did.

They should make "Compromise" the Linux motto.

So what if Windows has more holes than Camp Green Lake? ( rimshot please ) At least we gets our eye candy

[cuchumino81]

So what if Windows has more holes than Camp Green Lake? ( rimshot please ) At least we gets our eye candy

Unfortunatly i agree with ham. For the couple of months i have had linux on my sys, i have tried through thick and thin to install some games thru cedega, but it suks. If i get the game to work, it runs slow, and at crappy video settings.

except for linux native games that are also windows games, such as wolfenstein, doom 3, ut etc, gaming with windows games on linux sucks.

[Foolhardy]

gaming with windows games on linux sucks.

Yes. I don't disagree there. Generally when you're emulating a better gaming OS, you should expect performance differences. Why would you assume otherwise? Niether E nor I have ever recommended using windows emulators to get your gaming fix.

I tried hard not to. Really I did.

They should make "Compromise" the Linux motto.

So what if Windows has more holes than Camp Green Lake? ( rimshot please ) At least we gets our eye candy

Weak.

I like playing games in Linux when I get time to, and I like to see what I'm able to run on the distros I experiment with. As I've said a zillion times, it's no where near ready for the average consumer as a gaming OS. But neither was Windows for, oooh let's see, the first half decade as a gui-based OS and that's with hardware manufacturer support. **cough**

Let's try and imagine how far Win98 would have gotten as a gaming OS without hardware drivers supplied by corporations... ah, why do I bother? I can't explain to anyone why I love apple pie, so why would I expect anyone to understand how much I am beginning to adore Open Source?

In the meantime, I'll just go ahead and enjoy using software like Linux and BSDs without needing to pirate anything to get by. May be, if I was really rich, I could afford everything I need to have usable in Windows. But I can't. So, it's a pretty nice solution for my situation. And, I gotta say, living without spyware is a wonderful, wonderful thing

foo

[cubase]

I would love to agree with you Foo, but I need to get the new Internet Explorer service pack before being able to read the rest of your post...

But I gotta go, security holes make me a target if I am logged in for more than 60 seconds, or whenever I type the letters X.P.

Who says the XP OS is not stable!? lol

-Cub. =o)

[EvLwMn]

gaming with windows games on linux sucks.

Yes. I don't disagree there. Generally when you're emulating a better gaming OS, you should expect performance differences. Why would you assume otherwise? Niether E nor I have ever recommended using windows emulators to get your gaming fix.

I tried hard not to. Really I did.

They should make "Compromise" the Linux motto.

So what if Windows has more holes than Camp Green Lake? ( rimshot please ) At least we gets our eye candy

Weak.

I like playing games in Linux when I get time to, and I like to see what I'm able to run on the distros I experiment with. As I've said a zillion times, it's no where near ready for the average consumer as a gaming OS. But neither was Windows for, oooh let's see, the first half decade as a gui-based OS and that's with hardware manufacturer support. **cough**

Let's try and imagine how far Win98 would have gotten as a gaming OS without hardware drivers supplied by corporations... ah, why do I bother? I can't explain to anyone why I love apple pie, so why would I expect anyone to understand how much I am beginning to adore Open Source?

In the meantime, I'll just go ahead and enjoy using software like Linux and BSDs without needing to pirate anything to get by. May be, if I was really rich, I could afford everything I need to have usable in Windows. But I can't. So, it's a pretty nice solution for my situation. And, I gotta say, living without spyware is a wonderful, wonderful thing

foo

Yep - Foo's right. I have never ever recommended using Linux on a gaming rig - at least not yet

However it's coming along and soon it will be ready. How soon depends on several factors I won't get into here.

But I'm with Foo - I love being able to have whatever I want or need on my system without pirating - pirating isn't necessary on Linux. And living without spyware is indeed a wonderful thing. Same goes for viruses, trojans and worms. Yes, yes - I know viruses and the like exist for Linux - not it's nowhere as prevalent in Linux as it is in Windoze. And a good Linux firewall keeps a lot of it out anyway

[cubase]

I guess one of the reasons for Windows OS's being fairly all over the place is becuase it is the OS designed to have the broadest spectrum of compatability, hence they have a lot of bases to cover.

for example, any program designed for Apple's OS-X is not backwarss compatable with earlier OS's, so it's no wonder why OS-X is stable, all the programs are designed especialy for it!

Linux is great, if you what you want to use is supported, beucase there is nothing worse than spending hours and hours on emulating something that only works half as good as it would on the right OS.

I guess if other OS's other than Windows attempted to be on par with Windows in terms of it's wide compatability they would screw up just as much. The largest percentage of programs have been designed to run on Windows, which is a HUGE burden on XP developers who have to make certain all programs are able to run effeciently, and there is no prediicting whther or not these other software developers will produce a product that runs ineffeciently causing the OS's stability to become compromised.

I beleive that XP was a GIANT leap forward, and I also beleive that Longhorn (which has now gone on record for being the longest Windows OS in production) will earn Windows the respect it needs.

I respect Linux, I hate Mac OS, and I beleive that saying XP is crap is like caling a giant a tad bit too short.... and you find more security threats on XP becuase of the obvious: everyone uses it, hence, more people have access to **** around with it!

-Cub. =o)

[EvLwMn]

Well cub - I could counter your security threat argument because it's the oldest excuse in the book. I seem to remember a take off story about the three little pigs and the big bad wolf - I'll have to see if I can find it. It more than adequately punches holes in the "everybody uses it so it's a bigger target" theory.

Yes "everyone" uses Windows - but for years Windows was all there was to use. Microsoft was the only game in town. That's why hardware manufacturers build drivers for Windows - it had the monopoly for years.

M$ has a fit if the hardware manufacturers give their source code to open source programmers so drivers can be ported for *nix. That's one of the reasons we have had such a hard time getting hardware to work on our machines. It's the fault of the hardware manufacturers. They won't release the code to us and they won't build the drivers themselves. I wonder why that is????????? (because M$ gives them a stipend maybe?????)

Ahhhh.............here it is................

Once upon a time, there was a little pig who built his house in the meadow out of straw. He did it because he had always built his house out of straw, and so did all the other little pigs in the meadow. Straw wasn't the best building material available, but it was good enough. It was easy to work with. And the labor costs associated with straw were low, because the meadow was filled with animals who were trained in the use of straw (they were called Meadow Certified Straw Engineers, or MCSEs).

But over time, Big Bad Wolves infiltrated the meadow, and began huffing and puffing and blowing the houses of straw down.

Now, the little pig had a big brother, who'd built his house out of brick. The little pig's big brother urged the little pig to re-build his house out of brick, instead of straw.

"Not by the hair of my chinny-chin-chin," said the little pig. "The only reason brick appears safer than straw is that so few pigs build their houses out of brick. Big Bad Wolves target straw houses because straw has a monopoly on the building materials market. If brick had the same market share, then the Big Bad Wolves would be huffing and puffing and blowing down brick houses."

The little pig's big brother said, "Dude, you can't blow down a brick house. Brick is fundamentally more resistant to huffing and puffing."

But the little pig was confident. "Not by the hair of my chinny-chin-chin. You're only saying that because you've been brainwashed by the FUD spread by straw community."

The above is a snip courtesey of Linux Pipeline http://www.linuxpipeline.com/trends/50500326 .

The point is - if something is better, stronger, more secure then it's just better, stronger, more secure. Just because "everybody" uses the less strong, less secure solution doesn't make it a bigger target. It's a bigger target because it's easier to hack (less strong), there are more security holes in it (less secure) - or in other words - it lends itself to huffing and puffing.

That and the fact that it takes M$ six months sometimes to patch a hole that the HACKERS themselves told them about. The open raw sockets layer hole that XP was RELEASED with had been found in the beta version and reported to M$ LONG before XP was released- not only did eEye themselves report this hole but also Steve Gibson of GRC - who is a lead authority in electronic security - reported this hole directly to Steve Ballmer - to no avail of course because they released it anyway and took over six months to fix it once people started reporting it as a security risk. Only when the Feds said something to them did they bother releasing a patch (why? Because the Federal Government is one of M$'s biggest customers - ironic isn't it?).

To the contrary - when a hole is found in OpenSource software it's found immediately because since the code is open there are millions of eyes looking at it. The more eyes you have looking over the code the more likely you are to catch the holes and mistakes. Plus once the holes are known the patches come very quickly - again because so many people are looking at the code.

I can go on with this but I think you get my point by now. M$ code is inherently insecure and THAT's why it gets hacked. They have written buggy code on top of buggy code instead of fixing the existing code they have only patched it and built upon what's there.

I really think if they had been actually repairing the buggy code as they went along (and as they found it) the OS would not only be more stable but also more secure.

But that's not what happened so there's no way to fix it now unless they scrap the whole thing and start over from scratch.

Definitely something to think about.

[cubase]

Whoa whoa whoa, I was not going to put that last comment of mine in, but i needed a close.... boy how I regret it now. Talk about stepping into a backdraft!

I can also add...

The more houses of straw the more noticeable they are to the big bad wolf. If there were enough brick houses, the wolves would get together and eventualy figure out a way to blow them down too!

-Cub. =o)

[EvLwMn]

And thus it's a vicious circle. The straw houses are an easier target simply by virtue of their lack of strength and security. The brick houses present more of a challenge - and no one will say they are impervious to "blowing down" - all anyone is saying is that it's much more difficult.

There are those out there right now who target Linux - and mostly they fail miserably because Linux is inherently more secure. There are less holes to exploit.

Windows most definitely has it's place in the world - I just wish M$ was more concientious about releasing code before it's ready. They are writing these OS's and releasing them to the public before they are properly tested (and patched if necessary). Instead of waiting 6 more months to release it - they sell it to you and let you beta test it for them. So not only are they using their customers to beta test their products - they are CHARGING their customers what I think are outrageous prices to BETA TEST FOR THEM!!!!!

Don't feel like you shouldn't have added that last sentence - I love a friendly, intelligent debate.