ruining it

[HamDemon]

I hear ya. It also helps moving away from windoze

the first time i started using linux i decided why people said there were a lot less viruses that effected linux systems

because nothing works on them

[Foolhardy]

since you were the one who said you let intel and ati think for you...I perfectly understand why linux didn't work for you

[HamDemon]

you crazy non-conformists and your "free thoughts", they dont do all my thinking, just yesterday i put on my shoes all by myself

linux works for me i guess, id probably use it if i wanted to set up a web server or something that id wouldnt have to mess with too often, i just dont like it much, i think samba ruined it for me

evil, evil samba

that and that stupid ifconfig thing keeps me up at night

what were they thinking???

[Foolhardy]

What your unfortunately experiencing is the current rush to get "features" into Open source rather than usability. That's changing faster than you may imagine.

Samba, cups and X are pretty crappy. I agree, but the amount of progress they've made in a year is incredible. You may see a shift from Xfree soon, at least I have my fingers crossed. I once had samba and linneighborhood doing everything I wanted them to do...but I haven't really tried messing around with them much since. Networked XP machines seem to cause it fits tho...

Mozilla, apt-get, evolution, KDE, Gnome-0ffice, Xfce4, xmms, and ut2k4 made linux for me

[HamDemon]

for what i was doing at the time, features were a huge part of the usability, the first time i had ever even used linux i was in a pretty big hurry to get samba up and running, the usability wasnt the best

[Foolhardy]

Like I said, it's playing catch up. Only the zealots will tell you "it's there" on the desktop. But instead of it being behind 10 yrs, small arts of it are now ahead but most are within 2 - 3 yrs of being point by point competitive.

Hold on while I split this...

[Foolhardy]

I didn't mention a whole bunch of smaller programs that have made my life much easier, for example meauto, filelight, firefox, qparted, abiword 2.05+, kthesaurus, especially synaptic, and more. The amount of time it took me to learn to use those progs were next to nothing, and since XP was boring the piss out of me, I gave it a shot based on E's and Valor's recommendations...for me the long hours paid off.

[HamDemon]

i was kind of planning on trying it again when i get out of school when im not in such a hurry, but i doubt it will drag me away from 2k until more games are compatible with it

i noticed that some of them are getting there recently

[Foolhardy]

gaming is shaky, especially since microsoft has been trying to get game designers to move away from OpenGL as a 3D visual platform.

I think a lot of the community seems to miss the point that if great games that are easy to setup come out for linux, the people will come. Gaming is the only industry besides cluster super-computing pushing the performance industry in PCs...I can't believe how few people make the connection

[HamDemon]

if they can release games that work on macs, then i dont see any reason they shouldnt do the same for linux, especially since there are roughly 13 mac users left in the world

[Foolhardy]

I don't know. i also don't know why companies that have linux compliant hardware don't advertise that. Folks like me would by their crap in a heartbeat!

[EvLwMn]

Exactly Foo. I think it's a damn shame the Linux hardware people don't put that information out there.

I also think it's a shame that you have to jump through flaming hoops to make games work in Linux. I think that once people don't have to mess around with configuring wineX to get their games to run there will be a lot more gamers come over to the Linux experience.

And you're right - Linux is getting there, it's just not quite there yet. For servers - it's there - it's been there and it's surpassed M$ by leaps and bounds. Long ago IMO.

All we can do is wait - unless we are developers - then we can help

[Foolhardy]

I've been looking at portable digital media players, and one or two state on their packaging linux compatibility with certain kernels...that's a start!

[cudaman]

I showed my uncle mozilla.... and he was amased that he didnt have to shell out 40 dollars to stop pop ups, and that it was a faster browser.... i think ill introduce him to firefox soon

and i have been getting some people i know introduced to linux, because i know that things are changing, ive seen it in the 3 or so years ive played with linux. when i started on mandrake 7 to now. there are somethings that are still a bit buggy though, like mandrake will not boot on my machine to install, and redhat wont boot after it installs. but i am happy enough using gentoo for the time being. and the comp has been up for 227 hours and counting... i know thats not THAT big, but its about the most ive had a system up without having to restart it cause i wanted to do something, like the real reason its not at 287 hours is cause i installed my liteon dvd burner i got for 20 bucks

i agree fully on the games thing.... cause most people play games on computers... and they use their windows cause they see no choice.... and the choice is comming. I KNOW it has potential... cause ive seen it work. ie D2, Simcity4 and then some ones that practicaly run native like halflife, or ones that run native, like UT2k3 or the ut2k4 demo <~(which IS sweet BTW...)

and another thing nice to see E and foo back from there breaks hopefully they were fun ones.

[Foolhardy]

It's good to see you too cuda

Times are a changin'...the EU courts look like they're gonna hand Microsoft an ass whooping any moment now. Let's hope they don't pussyfoot out of it like ours did