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Postby Longzoo » Fri Apr 25, 2003 2:31 am

I am ugrading from a PIII-800 Gateway. I am frusterated with the lack of general speed since I put Win XP Pro on it. I never built a computer before and am anxious to dive in but I don't want to wonder if I did something wrong or if the board I bought is a dud! I'm looking at the GA-8INXP for the Raid capabilities. I have a Western Digital 1200-BJ that's not working up to it's potential and a 20G drive that I'm using for the OS. The only thing (I think) I know about Raid is that it enables two or more drives to work together quicker?!? I am wondering if anyone can shed some light on the whole RAID thing.

I also was looking at a GA-8PE800 ULTRA for the PC2700 abilites but the onboard Raid is ITE IT8212 as oposed to the Promise 20276 that is on the 8INXP. Is the PC2700 that much faster than the PC2100? I read a few posts here that suggested that it wasn't.

I mainly use my computer for email, web browsing, Adobe photo editing and normal Microsoft Office package stuff, nothing really intense but I HATE waiting for the computer to open files, burn CDs, copy large folders etc.

Any input would be greatly appreciated. Sorry that the post is so long :(
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Postby Dallascisco » Fri Apr 25, 2003 7:25 am

For what you are doing raid really isn't going to help you that much. Raid is more useful for high end video and music editing. You will notice no increase in speed while using normal applications. I'll explain it to you anyway just so you know.

All the boards I have seen on the retail market have raid levels 0 and 1. Raid 0 is called disk striping. Your are required 2 have a least 2 hardrives in the array (an array is a set of drives used for raid). Instead of data being written continously to one disk, it is written ikn 64
k blocks to each disk in your array. For example if you have 2 hard drives the writing process will be 1,2,1,2,1,2 if you have 3 drives 1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3......... you get the picture. Raid 0 gives a boost in speed to pc's that do alot of disk read/writes, like application servers and engineering pc's. Their is no redundancy so if one of the drives goes down your up the creek.

Raid 1 is called disk mirroring.duplexing depending on how you set it up. Disk mirroring requires to at least 2 hard drives with a same size partition on them (or just 2 drives with the same size). What is put on to one drive is automatically replicated to the second. This way if one of your drives goes down you still have all your data intact. Raid 1 takes a toll on your system performance, it's no wonder with all that replicating. Normally mirrored drives will be placed on the same IDE controller, duplexing is when you place 2 drives on 2 different ide controllers. Otherwise it's the same thing as mirroring. With duplexing you don't have to worry about an ide channel going down(doesn't happen often anyway). Hope this helps.

pc2700 costs about the same as pc2100 right now so it would be follish not to purchase it. The performance gain is noticeable.

Let me know if you have any ?'s
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Postby Olly » Fri Apr 25, 2003 8:29 am

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Postby Longzoo » Fri Apr 25, 2003 11:10 am

Thanks for all of the info on RAID, I guess I had it all wrong, it's more for data backup than speed? That's not really what I was concerned with as I backup the important stuff on CDs about once a week.

About the pc2700 I found this:

SimpleTech (Simple Technologies) 512MB DDR PC2700 Major Brand Chip - OEM Retail. 184-pin. Non-parity, Gold Contacts, 6 Layer PCB, CL=2.5, 2.5Volt, PC2700=DDR333, Lifetime Warranty. Part# RB2700DDR/512

for $58 a stick it seems too cheap, is there much difference in manufacturers? Because the only thing I see different is the fact that this is non ECC but that shouldn't make that much of a difference, should it? I was planning on using it on the GA-8INXP but since I don't need Raid capabilities I may look at other, less expensive boards with faster ram capabilities. My main concern is speed. I am looking to spend around $500 for a mobo, 1Gig of Ram and a 2.4 or faster P4. It seems to me that the biggest bottleneck is the hard drive transfer speed.
Thanks again for the info
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Postby Dallascisco » Fri Apr 25, 2003 11:32 am

Yes, their is a difference between manufacturers. Not just in speed but with compatability. Some makers like crucial and corsair are almost guaranteed reiable, others not so much so.

58 bucks sounds about right, give or take a few bucks. If your looking for p4 boards check out the msi 655 max and asus p4sdx. Very fast and very reliable, plus alot of featues. Make sure you get a p4 that uses the 533 front side bus
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Postby EvLwMn » Fri Apr 25, 2003 12:08 pm

AWESOME post Dallas!! Excellent explanation of RAID!! :D 8)

Nice job! :D
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Postby Dallascisco » Fri Apr 25, 2003 12:28 pm

Why thank you

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Postby EvLwMn » Fri Apr 25, 2003 12:30 pm

You're welcome! 8)
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Postby spidermanzan » Fri Apr 25, 2003 12:31 pm

EvLwMn wrote:AWESOME post Dallas!! Excellent explanation of RAID!!

Nice job!
I second that E :D Where did you find him? :wink: Even I understood that! :oops:
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Postby EvLwMn » Fri Apr 25, 2003 12:32 pm

Motherboards.org. :D
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Postby Dallascisco » Fri Apr 25, 2003 3:25 pm

hehehe

I wasn't found, I was coerced :D :twisted:
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Postby EvLwMn » Fri Apr 25, 2003 3:56 pm

Hey - a little coercion never hurt anybody!! :twisted:
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Postby Dallascisco » Fri Apr 25, 2003 4:06 pm

didn't say it hurt, kinda felt good :D :D
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Postby Nomad » Fri Apr 25, 2003 4:14 pm

Dallas don't try to be humble it doesn't suite you. (I'm used to the arrogant Dallas) :) :) Oh yea very good explanation on Raid, so good as a matter of fact that It has been copied and sits where anyone can see it on my question wall (All credit is given to you under your screen name and this forum) 8)
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Postby Dallascisco » Fri Apr 25, 2003 4:16 pm

You think I'm arrogant nomad?

That's so not me
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